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BAMBARA<\/a> is a gothic post-punk band originating in Athens, GA. Comprised of twin brothers Reid and Blaze Bateh and schoolmate William Brookshire, the band was formed in 2009 and has been releasing records since 2013. Utilizing a heavily narrative songwriting style, the band tells intricate stories about people and places around central themes like death, as most portrayed on their most recent record Stray (2020).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Megan: So, for the people, who are you guys, what do you make\u2026?
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Blaze: I’m Blaze. I do drums for BAMBARA, make beats.
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Reid: I\u2019m Reid, I sing and play guitar for BAMBARA.
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M: Alright, awesome. So one immediate question I had was who do you find takes the most
creative control when you\u2019re starting a new project?
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R: I feel like it\u2019s almost on a song by song basis for that.
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B: Yeah, I agree with that.
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R: Certain people become more involved in and take a leadership role in certain songs, but
overall I think it\u2019s pretty democratic.
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B: I think whoever plants the seed that sort of starts the song is whoever we defer to in the
beginning, at least.
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M: Do you have any songs that you consider your baby? Like you made the basis for it and let it
grow and now you\u2019re like \u201cthat\u2019s mine\u201d?
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R: That\u2019s a good question! I don\u2019t know, we all get so involved in each other\u2019s songs that I don’t
know if I ever keep that feeling throughout just with how it all works. It\u2019s hard to say, I don\u2019t have
any specific \u201cmy baby\u201d song but I do have ones I like more or I tend to find myself listening to
more if I were to listen to old stuff. Do you have any, Blaze?
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B: I don\u2019t know, there have definitely been ones that I\u2019ve been excited about that have come out
of something I made, like Stay Cruel or something, but like you were saying we tend to jump in
on stuff together so it becomes a collective baby.
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M: Kinda like an \u2018it takes a village\u2019 type thing.
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R: Totally!
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M: Alright, so I had also kinda read that Reid, you tend to get ideas from things you’ve found at
thrift stores, especially for Stray with things like the name for the dog Lobo. Has there been
anything like that on your recent project or is it mostly from your life or imagination?
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R: Yeah! So what I did with Stray is I had a wall of just photographs I bought from a thrift store
right in front of my desk while i was working just so when I was zoning out i wasn\u2019t purely zoning out, more zoning into someone\u2019s story. So with this one I kinda had a thing where during lock-down I had this feeling of being disconnected from the city, I mean it felt like it wasn\u2019t even there since it was all locked up. It was just this feeling of being locked away from all the chaotic, wild energy that made me search for it in other things. I\u2019ve always been interested in photography even though I\u2019m not very good at it because I tend to write and think in images, so I was looking at a lot of pictures from Nan Goldin\u2019s collection The Ballad of Sexual Dependency<\/a>. She has a lot of pictures of New York that are snapshots that sort of capture the energy of the city, so I used those a lot as inspiration. That along with things from my life and other people\u2019s lives who I\u2019ve encountered, but it was a big inspiration for me. It kinda took the place of that wall of photos for this record.
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M: Do you guys feel like New York is sort of your chosen home as opposed to anywhere in your
home state of Georgia?
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R: It\u2019s hard to imagine living anywhere else at this moment. We\u2019ve lived here almost 11 years
now. I don\u2019t know if I\u2019d ever choose to live in Atlanta.
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B: We\u2019ve been here what feels like forever but it still doesn’t feel quite like home necessarily.
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M: Do you think you\u2019re still finding new things about it that thrill you?
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B: yeah, there\u2019s just so much, it\u2019s so big. It\u2019s constantly changing. I prefer it, I love living here,
but I do get more of the feeling of home in Georgia. Maybe that\u2019ll always be the case.
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M: I grew up near LA and it was this monolith for me, I never quite knew what I was looking at or
experiencing. I felt like if I ever dipped my toe in I would have to learn to swim all over again just
to know where I am. Just a completely different language and way of life there.
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B: Mmhm, exactly. New York does everything possible to spit you out, too. I think we\u2019ve made a
lot of artistic choices I\u2019m proud of as we\u2019ve been forced to swim upstream.
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M: So I wanted to talk a little more about Love on My Mind. Of the first two tracks we\u2019ve heard,
one has sort of a bombastic rock sound on Mythic Love but Birds has that sort of Gothic, moody
sound we\u2019re more used to from tracks like Miracle or Sweat. Does this variety foreshadow what
we\u2019re gonna be hearing on the new EP and future projects, or are you just going with the flow?
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R: Yeah, I think in a way it does foreshadow the EP. Since it\u2019s only 6 songs I feel like each sort
of carries the weight for one type of song that we do. So each song feels pretty different, but in a
way it\u2019s just a microcosm of the different environments you experience on Stray, just with more
clarity, more focus.
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M: When you were making it, would you say you were reflecting on the experience of making
Stray?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

B: Yeah, in a lot of ways any record that follows another will be bouncing off the ideas and
experiences from what you just did. Things you wanted to expound upon or revisit, and I think
this EP there’s some newer territory we\u2019ve never really gone into that hasn\u2019t been on these
singles. Just things revisiting \u2013 like Drew Citron, who sang a lot on Stray, she sings on the last
song on the EP. You can feel there are little bits of shrapnel from Stray in there. It\u2019s a sonic
pileup with some new production on that side of things.
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R: Like you said there are definitely some new areas we\u2019ve never explored before which is
exciting, but it\u2019s funny because things like that always seem very big and obvious to us, but I\u2019m
interested to see how people feel about it once it comes out, if they feel like it\u2019s Bambara but just
slightly different.
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M: I know when I first heard Mythic Love I was like \u201cthis is a new angle!\u201d but it definitely still felt
like you guys, fell completely in line, so I\u2019m excited to hear the rest of it.
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B: It\u2019s funny because I guess for me being in the action, Mythic Love sounded more familiar for
Bambara than Birds, but i think people are hearing it the other way around. Being the one
creating things you just hear it completely differently.
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R: Yeah, when you\u2019re that close it\u2019s hard to see it from a wider angle.
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M: On that note of having a different insight than maybe what the fans have, are there any
songs you\u2019ve made that you feel are under appreciated?
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R: I mean yeah there\u2019s a few over time. One of my favorites is Steel Dust Ocean off Shadow on
Everything.
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B: Yeah, that\u2019s a good one.
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R: And then there\u2019s one way back that I really like that I feel like we didn\u2019t give people enough of
a chance to like since it\u2019s so short, but it\u2019s the last song off Dreamviolence called Disappear. I\u2019ve
always liked that one a lot. There are always gonna be some that are looked over though, it\u2019s
just the nature of the beast. Do you have any, Blaze?
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B: Steel Dust Ocean is definitely one I feel is under-appreciated. On Stray I\u2019d say maybe
Sweat?
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M: I fully agree! I love that track so much.
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R: That\u2019s good to hear! That\u2019s definitely one of my favorites off the record and I think it got
overlooked. And Ben and Lily!
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M: Whenever I show people Stray there\u2019s such a variety of favorite tracks that comes out of it. I
think the storytelling style on it is so interesting too, the narrative line as opposed to the direct
chronology of Shadow on Everything, it\u2019s just so fun to find where everything fits together.
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B: It\u2019s good to hear people are taking the time to do that, it\u2019s all so interwoven.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

M: Speaking of the songwriting style, I recently read A Good Man is Hard to Find by Flannery
O\u2019Connor <\/a>and I was wondering about what led you to be so intrigued by her character studies
and the aspect of \u2018meanness\u2019 to incorporate it so heavily into Stray.
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R: I think the first time I realized I was interested in literature or writing of any kind was when I
read that story in high school. We had a Southern Gothic literature section, I guess since we\u2019re
from Georgia, and Flannery O\u2019Connor was from there as well. Something about it just resonated
with me, something about the way she writes these characters just feels so real and so vivid, it\u2019s
horrific but calm and beautiful all at the same time and I think that drew me to it. The use of the
word meanness is something that I\u2019ve always been drawn to as well. It can be used for really
awful things but it sounds so weak and small, almost. It\u2019s the way Southern people speak, trying
not to make a big deal out of anything. It always stuck with me, especially from that story.
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M: I kinda noticed that across the album there were these glimpses of hope around it. Most of
the characters are doomed, I mean Death is a character for a reason, but in songs like Serafina
when Sera and Sadie are in love and are able to experience that, declaring that they\u2019ll never die
even though they know it\u2019s coming eventually. Do you think that that might be influenced by
O\u2019Connor\u2019s concept of Radical Grace, that idea that something good can come out of a situation
that isn\u2019t necessarily good?
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R: It\u2019s so funny you bring that up since no one\u2019s really tapped into that before, but i think about
that a lot, her concept of grace. It\u2019s always in the back of my mind so I can\u2019t say if it influenced it
directly, but that is something I think about a lot especially when im writing these usually very
hopeless scenarios or pessimistic stories with characters that are doomed, that idea kicks
around in the back of my head a lot. Sometimes it doesn\u2019t make it out because it almost doesn\u2019t
feel like grace is a possibility in that world. But yeah [in Serafina], I needed someone to not feel
smothered by the concept of death in that world, to be sort of a ray of hope or someone to
whom death wasn\u2019t this sort of suffocating blanket over them. It\u2019s just an inevitability they\u2019ll have
to face eventually.
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M: So for both of you, are there any tracks off this new EP that you\u2019re especially excited for
people to hear or any you’re particularly passionate about?
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B: The first track Glitter in the Rain I\u2019m really proud of, it\u2019s one of those in new territory and I
really like the mood and atmosphere it creates.
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R: Yeah, I\u2019m also excited about that one.
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M: I was curious if there were any like the Night Chimes EP, something more dark and ambient
or if it\u2019s more going for the directness we\u2019ve been hearing so far.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

B: There\u2019s definitely some ambient leaning moments on this one. That\u2019s funny you bring up
night chimes, we were doing an interview with someone in Poland and they brought it up too.
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R: There aren\u2019t any straight up ambient tracks like on Night Chimes, just because it\u2019s only 6
tracks and we wanted to keep it pretty tight. One song I\u2019m really excited for off the EP is Little
Wars, different territory for us as well. Tt\u2019s got those female backing vocals and some of the
orchestrated vibe like some of the stuff off Stray but it\u2019s a little more minimal and the
instrumentation and texture choices are very interesting. I\u2019m also really happy with the lyrics on
that one.
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M: I\u2019m excited to hear them all! I\u2019m very much looking forward to it. So what influenced you guys
to go for an EP this time rather than going for another LP?
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B: All of 2020 was supposed to be touring for us, so once everything got canceled I don\u2019t think
we were mentally ready to approach a full album again.
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R: It felt like Stray didn\u2019t really get its chance, since once it came out COVID hit and we couldn\u2019t
give it a fair shot at being out in the world, like touring with it and all that. So it was hard to just
let that go and move on to a new album. We wrote an EP to try and respond to the fact that
everything had been cut short, so we wrote one to convince ourselves everything was fine. We
got pretty much done with it, mixed and everything, until we realized we really didn\u2019t like it. So
we scrapped it and some of those things stayed, others didn\u2019t, we wrote some more songs and
that\u2019s how this EP came to be. We kinda had to get rid of a lot of weird leftover feelings from the
pandemic stuff, clear our heads.
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M: I\u2019m sure a lot of the fanbase will find that empathetic. I wonder if that scrapped EP will ever
make it onto any B-sides and rarities collection anytime.
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R: Not if I have anything to do with it. Laughs<\/em>
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M: I feel that, sometimes I get to the end of an art piece and I just think \u201cno one will ever see this
and I\u2019m glad.\u201d
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B: It\u2019s important to be able to scrap something. I think a lot of people think they put so much time
into something then they have to put it out.
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M: It\u2019s very freeing to be able to put that much into something and then just let it go.
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B: There were days working on the older version of the EP where we\u2019d go into the studio and
we just felt so cumbersome, we weren\u2019t really stoked on anything. It just felt like this lead
blanket.
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M: So I know you guys have been trying to get back into the touring space now that things are a
little more open, I believe you\u2019ve been doing things with Midwife?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

B: Oh yeah, so Midwife was on tour with us and Nothing in December and that was just sort of a
10-day run of the United States, and even then we had to schedule the last 2 days once
omicron hit and we just redid those dates. So now we have March, which is supposed to be all
of mainland Europe. Each country handles it differently, Germany and Italy are both kind of in
question.
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M: When you’re able to fully get back out in the world do you think it\u2019ll be a Love on My Mind
tour or more of a joint one between Stray and the EP?
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B: Definitely joint.
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R: Yeah it\u2019ll be a combo for sure.
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B: There are some songs from the EP we\u2019re not going to play, so that alone makes us need
both. There are also so many Stray songs people have never heard us play live.
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M: How do you guys plan out what\u2019s gonna be on the setlists for your show? Is it mostly crowd
reception or personal desire to play something?
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B: A little of both, but if you\u2019re going out every night and playing a song and it\u2019s just not getting
any reception at all it\u2019s hard to get excited about it.
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R: Sweat was kinda like that. We kept playing it and it kept getting this sort of lukewarm
response.
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M: Aw!
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R: I know, it\u2019s sad!
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B: We kinda had to take it back into the workshop.
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R: Definitely, they\u2019re never dead, you just gotta tweak \u2018em, but it\u2019s been retired for a bit.
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B: That\u2019s the thing, a song is never really set in stone until you record it. It stays this malleable
thing and that keeps it fun for us.
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R: We finally got Machete working, which is one we\u2019ve been trying to get working forever and
we got it just in time for this tour. It was gratifying to be able to play that one live since we all
wanted it so bad.
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M: Was that one challenging to write lyrically since it\u2019s sorta a standalone story?
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R: It took a while for sure. Sometimes the shorter ones are even harder since you don’t have as
much space to work with the ideas.
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M: I was curious which of the tours you guys have been on has been your favorite since you\u2019ve
been a part of a lot of them, either your own or with other people.
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B: The IDLES tour we did in the US was pretty amazing just \u2018cause they were fairly unknown when we started that tour, so they all happened in these packed rooms, small venues they don\u2019t play anymore, and it was just a really cool month. We\u2019re supposed to play 10 more shows with them in March, so hopefully that happens.
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R: Yeah, that one was really fun. Each tour has its own thing that makes it unique and
awesome.
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B: Every band we\u2019ve gone out with has been really cool, we\u2019ve all remained friends long after.
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M: Of all your peers in the punk and post-punk space, which ones do you find yourselves most
inspired by?
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B: Honestly I don\u2019t listen to too many bands like that. We see our peers live and honestly the
energy of the show is most inspiring.
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R: My inspiration doesn\u2019t really come from my peers, I don\u2019t think. There are bands I like, but I
don’t find myself inspired by them. One that does come to mind is Sloppy Jane, she\u2019s really
great. Her approach is very passionate and she has a very singular vision, she knows what she
wants and she finds a way to make it happen. That new record I like a lot. Dougie Poole might
be another one, there are label mates on Wharf Cat that I like a lot like him and Palberta, P.E. is
really great, there are a lot of really good ones but it\u2019s hard to think of since I haven\u2019t been going
to many shows lately.
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M: That\u2019s interesting, it seems like the inspiration is very internal within the band then. I mean
you\u2019re just coming up with things off the dome and banging it out, and next thing you know you
have a song?
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R: Laughs<\/em> I mean yeah, we\u2019ve been playing together since we were little kids so at this point
we\u2019ve kind of found that we draw from what\u2019s established between us.
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M: Really solid band chemistry.
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R: Yeah, so we just kinda pull from our pool of influences that have been cemented between us.
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B: And it\u2019s not to say we\u2019re not inspired by music, it\u2019s just more moments in songs than anything
else.
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R: Yeah! Less like a band and their vibe and more just moments, that\u2019s a good way to put it.
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M: Alright, well I think that\u2019s pretty much all I had on my mind. Thank you guys so much for
talking!
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R: Yeah, thanks for having us!
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M: Anytime.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

BAMBARA\u2019s EP \u201cLove on my Mind\u201d is out February 25th on Wharf Cat Records and the two
lead singles, \u201cMythic Love\u201d and \u201cBirds,\u201d are out now on all platforms.
A huge thank you to Reid and Blaze for such a wonderful interview!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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